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		<title>Comment on Chores, Allowance, and “Above and Beyond” Tasks by A Sumner</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Sumner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a kid, I had paying chores and non-paying chores.  The non-paying chores directly benefitted the household (taking out garbage and putting away dishes).  Paying chores were more like crushing aluminum cans.  There&#8217;s no need to crush cans before taking them to the recycling center, but my mom liked to take more at one time and the job was too tedious for her.  As a teen, there was no direct allowance.  If I had earned the privilege of going put and doing something, I had also earned the ten or twenty bucks it cost, but I had to give back any change.  Not so good for learning how to manage money, but I guess that&#8217;s what birthdays are for.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a kid, I had paying chores and non-paying chores.  The non-paying chores directly benefitted the household (taking out garbage and putting away dishes).  Paying chores were more like crushing aluminum cans.  There&#8217;s no need to crush cans before taking them to the recycling center, but my mom liked to take more at one time and the job was too tedious for her.  As a teen, there was no direct allowance.  If I had earned the privilege of going put and doing something, I had also earned the ten or twenty bucks it cost, but I had to give back any change.  Not so good for learning how to manage money, but I guess that&#8217;s what birthdays are for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chores, Allowance, and “Above and Beyond” Tasks by jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#8220;it makes nonsense of the argument that men are inherently more capable of doing hard, physical tasks.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who was making the argument that men are inherently more capable of doing physical labor?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it makes nonsense of the argument that men are inherently more capable of doing hard, physical tasks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who was making the argument that men are inherently more capable of doing physical labor?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chores, Allowance, and “Above and Beyond” Tasks by Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kai was &#8211; at least, I think that&#8217;s a reasonable reading of this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&#8220;The fact that chores are often still gender-divided might say something about why they are so. Men more often do the heavy-lifting chores, while women more often do the detail-work chores. That is a reasonable division in many homes.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I admit it would have been better if I&#8217;d said &#8220;it makes nonsense of the argument that the gender-based division of labor has anything to do with the physical nature of particular chores&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;which is more directly relevant to what Kai actually said, as well as to what you and MattJ were arguing earlier.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai was &#8211; at least, I think that&#8217;s a reasonable reading of this:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact that chores are often still gender-divided might say something about why they are so. Men more often do the heavy-lifting chores, while women more often do the detail-work chores. That is a reasonable division in many homes.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I admit it would have been better if I&#8217;d said &#8220;it makes nonsense of the argument that the gender-based division of labor has anything to do with the physical nature of particular chores&#8221;</p>
<p>which is more directly relevant to what Kai actually said, as well as to what you and MattJ were arguing earlier.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chores, Allowance, and “Above and Beyond” Tasks by jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My point was that shoveling snow is in fact hard work whereas folding laundry is not such hard work.&lt;br /&gt;
Thats my argument.   My point is that shoveling snow is valued as worth more because it is HARD WORK that is worth more than easy job like folding laundry.  I don&#8217;t care if men or women do one job versus the other, shoveling snow is still harder work.  (per hour, I don&#8217;t pay chores on annual salary rates and I&#8217;m not offering to fold your laundry for the rest of your life for one days snow shoveling)   We&#8217;re comparing the worht of one job to another job.   One job is harder and therefore worth more.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The gender of the worker is irrelevant to my point.&lt;br /&gt;
Use of snowblowers or lack of washing machines in the 19th century are irrelevant to my point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THe division of labor in the household is just the historical traditional division dating back decades or centuries.  I don&#8217;t think the way we usually split up work necessarily makes sense or is the &#8216;right&#8217; way to divide labor between genders.  I never said nor meant to imply such.   I&#8217;d be happy to have a girl mow the lawn if she wants and I see no reason not to.  I can&#8217;t imagine why a girl would necessarily feel upset if she isn&#8217;t taught how to mow a lawn or feel cheated out of such a wonderful opportunity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point was that shoveling snow is in fact hard work whereas folding laundry is not such hard work.<br />
Thats my argument.   My point is that shoveling snow is valued as worth more because it is HARD WORK that is worth more than easy job like folding laundry.  I don&#8217;t care if men or women do one job versus the other, shoveling snow is still harder work.  (per hour, I don&#8217;t pay chores on annual salary rates and I&#8217;m not offering to fold your laundry for the rest of your life for one days snow shoveling)   We&#8217;re comparing the worht of one job to another job.   One job is harder and therefore worth more.  </p>
<p>The gender of the worker is irrelevant to my point.<br />
Use of snowblowers or lack of washing machines in the 19th century are irrelevant to my point.</p>
<p>THe division of labor in the household is just the historical traditional division dating back decades or centuries.  I don&#8217;t think the way we usually split up work necessarily makes sense or is the &#8216;right&#8217; way to divide labor between genders.  I never said nor meant to imply such.   I&#8217;d be happy to have a girl mow the lawn if she wants and I see no reason not to.  I can&#8217;t imagine why a girl would necessarily feel upset if she isn&#8217;t taught how to mow a lawn or feel cheated out of such a wonderful opportunity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chores, Allowance, and “Above and Beyond” Tasks by Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;These comments remind me of my sister telling me that I should be the one to mow the yard if our dad didn&#8217;t want to because &#8220;I&#8217;m the boy&#8221;. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Never quite figured out how men are better equipped to sit on a riding mower than women. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course this was all a moot point because my dad was/is a perfectionist about his yard and rarely even allowed either of us to help if we actually volunteered.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments remind me of my sister telling me that I should be the one to mow the yard if our dad didn&#8217;t want to because &#8220;I&#8217;m the boy&#8221;. </p>
<p>Never quite figured out how men are better equipped to sit on a riding mower than women. </p>
<p>Of course this was all a moot point because my dad was/is a perfectionist about his yard and rarely even allowed either of us to help if we actually volunteered.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chores, Allowance, and “Above and Beyond” Tasks by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Men are inherently more capable of doing labor requiring great physical effort than women. In other news: water is wet, and fire is hot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But this does not imply that labor requiring great physical effort is, in and of itself, more deserving of reward than labor not requiring great physical effort. The notion that the &#8220;worth&#8221; of a job is proportional to the amount of physical effort required to perform it is&#8230; well, the word &#8220;Neanderthal&#8221; springs for some reason to mind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men are inherently more capable of doing labor requiring great physical effort than women. In other news: water is wet, and fire is hot.</p>
<p>But this does not imply that labor requiring great physical effort is, in and of itself, more deserving of reward than labor not requiring great physical effort. The notion that the &#8220;worth&#8221; of a job is proportional to the amount of physical effort required to perform it is&#8230; well, the word &#8220;Neanderthal&#8221; springs for some reason to mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chores, Allowance, and “Above and Beyond” Tasks by elyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>elyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When I was a teen (this was in the 80s) I did whatever I could possibly do to make money: babysitting, cleaning roof gutters (why my mom let me do this is beyond me- seems pretty dangerous looking back), cleaning the neighbor&#8217;s bathrooms weekly (this was by far the highest paying job, by the way), mowing the lawn, painting, leaf raking, weeding.  I did not feel that I was relegated to a gender-specific job as a girl.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At home, we had expected chores that were unpaid, and others we did for payment.  Unpaid: dishes, weeding, raking, vacuuming, etc.  Paid: cleaning the bathrooms, mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters, washing and painting the walls.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With my toddler who is almost three, we haven&#8217;t started an allowance yet, but she loves to help put laundry away, and clean whatever I am cleaning, and she is very skilled at putting utensils in the utensil drawer from the dishwasher.  She&#8217;s at an age where she wants to be part of it all.  When she is a little older, I plan to give her an allowance that accounts for the expected chores, and give her optional add-on, extra money jobs.  If she refuses chores, allowance gets taken away because that IS teaching about money. I&#8217;m responding here to Trent&#8217;s statement:&lt;br /&gt;
&#8220;Taking away their allowance deprives them of the opportunity to learn about money management, while taking away toys or free time doesn’t deprive them of anything of significant importance.&#8221;&lt;br /&gt;
I think taking their allowance away when they aren&#8217;t doing their expected chores totally teaches them about money management.  You don&#8217;t do your part at work, you don&#8217;t get paid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a teen (this was in the 80s) I did whatever I could possibly do to make money: babysitting, cleaning roof gutters (why my mom let me do this is beyond me- seems pretty dangerous looking back), cleaning the neighbor&#8217;s bathrooms weekly (this was by far the highest paying job, by the way), mowing the lawn, painting, leaf raking, weeding.  I did not feel that I was relegated to a gender-specific job as a girl.  </p>
<p>At home, we had expected chores that were unpaid, and others we did for payment.  Unpaid: dishes, weeding, raking, vacuuming, etc.  Paid: cleaning the bathrooms, mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters, washing and painting the walls.  </p>
<p>With my toddler who is almost three, we haven&#8217;t started an allowance yet, but she loves to help put laundry away, and clean whatever I am cleaning, and she is very skilled at putting utensils in the utensil drawer from the dishwasher.  She&#8217;s at an age where she wants to be part of it all.  When she is a little older, I plan to give her an allowance that accounts for the expected chores, and give her optional add-on, extra money jobs.  If she refuses chores, allowance gets taken away because that IS teaching about money. I&#8217;m responding here to Trent&#8217;s statement:<br />
&#8220;Taking away their allowance deprives them of the opportunity to learn about money management, while taking away toys or free time doesn’t deprive them of anything of significant importance.&#8221;<br />
I think taking their allowance away when they aren&#8217;t doing their expected chores totally teaches them about money management.  You don&#8217;t do your part at work, you don&#8217;t get paid.</p>
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